Artificial Intelligence and Permaculture | Discover Permaculture: The Podcast

Artificial intelligence is being called the biggest change in human history—bigger than the wheel. But what does it mean for those of us designing resilient futures? In this conversation, Geoff, Eric, Ben, and Sam wrestle with the knife’s edge of AI: its potential for abundance versus its risk of deepening inequality, war and ecological destruction. Along the way, they explore how permaculture design could harness AI to spread knowledge, the dangers of living in false realities, the resource drain behind the tech and why true wealth still comes from soil, water, and community. With stories ranging from Silicon Valley to Zaytuna Farm, this episode is both a warning and a call to embed ourselves more deeply in nature while the world hurtles toward uncertainty.

Key Takeaways:

- 00:00:32 – 00:01:04: AI is being called a change bigger than the wheel—possibly the biggest shift in human history.
- 00:05:28 – 00:06:49: AI is already used in war; leadership failures make its misuse likely, but a global permaculture network could use it for good.
- 00:14:26 – 00:15:46: AI risks creating a false natural world, blurring reality and deepening disconnection from the Earth.
- 00:16:33 – 00:18:01: Over-reliance on AI makes humans vulnerable; true security comes from being multi-skilled and fulfilled in diverse, hands-on work.
- 00:20:01 – 00:21:19: The hyper-wealthy are driving AI development—raising the question: who really benefits?
- 00:29:49 – 00:33:37: Permaculture offers a population solution: real wealth in clean air, water, food, and community naturally stabilizes human numbers.
- 00:35:28 – 00:36:52: AI is resource-hungry—requiring vast amounts of energy, lithium, cobalt, and water—risking ecological collapse if unchecked.
- 00:43:00 – 00:44:22: If AI learns from the natural world, it could be beautiful; if from artificial systems, its conclusions could be dangerously flawed.
- 00:55:03 – 00:57:41: Religious and prophetic parallels warn of giving AI godlike power, raising existential questions of faith, ethics, and responsibility.
- 01:17:09 – 01:19:42: Geoff’s closing directive: decouple from fragile global systems, embed in landscape, and trust in nature and spirit to stay sane.

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Ben Missimer — Ben is a regenerative designer and technologist who uses LiDAR, drone imaging, and GIS tools to reveal the hidden patterns of the land. From remote landscapes to urban projects, he transforms terrain data into actionable designs that restore ecosystems. His work combines science, technology, and permaculture principles to guide landscapes from degraded to abundant.
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Sam Parker-Davies — Sam is a global permaculture designer, teacher, and consultant with projects spanning deserts, forests, and mountains across 12+ countries. He blends hands-on implementation with deep design thinking, helping communities regenerate both ecosystems and the social systems that depend on them. Sam’s teaching and consulting showcase how practical permaculture can create abundance in even the most challenging environments.
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Eric Seider — Eric is a permaculture consultant, designer, and educator since 2008. He has helped communities around the world create resilient systems, working across deserts, forests, and urban landscapes. As the leader of the Permaculture Community Group in Fair Oaks, California, he cultivates a local hub for education, hands-on learning, and collaboration. Eric turns ideas into thriving ecosystems and empowers others to do the same.
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